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a few years and a narrow casting example. but the new york city subway used to have posters written in spanish advertising a gay, lesbian domestic violence hot line. that's how fine grained it get in new york new york city on the subway pushi welfare programs. it informs and pushes them. >> but getting back to the porty program and they're pushing food stamps and welfare programs and they have a tendency to keep poor people poor. once you are on the dole it is hard tore get off. >> it is. incentives arerong. they encourage people to stay on it. it is it a growth crisis. economic growth is easy and if we get the policies right, a lot of these people get off of it and i agree with victoria that we have a welfare industrial complex. and in ordero keep these people on foodtamps, we got to -- >> and creating a sense of depeppedency from fdr and bill clinton and senators . this is not just republicans and conservatives. >> that is it a valid. if you want to reform welfare to resolve the problems that you are raising. they are valid problems . we will not mix it up b condemning people who
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